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marbleglove ([personal profile] marbleglove) wrote2009-03-05 10:12 pm

Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

The common perception is that the four horsemen are War, Famine, Pestilence, and Death. That is certainly how the Highlander universe considered them. And, in order, named them Silas, Caspian, Kronos, and Methos. But consider the actual bible and the four horsemen described therein:

1. White horse, rider unnamed, but given a crown, and going to conquer, ambiguous whether he's good or bad
2. Red horse, rider called War, decidedly evil
3. Black horse, rider called Famine, decidedly evil
4. Pale/Green/Sickly horse, rider called Death and pestilence rode with him, decidedly evil

Now consider the four Highlander characters:

A. Methos, generally a good guy, historically came up with the plans for the various raids, was called "Death" by Cassandra
B. Kronos, intended to spread a viral pathogen through all of Frances in order to conquer the world, considered the leader of the horsemen
C. Caspian, more than a little insane, a cannibal
D. Silas, intellectually slow, is nice and kind to animals, actively enjoys killing people

So I would say that Kronos maps quite well to Pestilence.

However, there's some question about how best to match the other three.

I could say Methos is the Conqueror because he turned good in the end and that is the single horseman whose role is ambiguous on the good-evil continuum. Then maybe Silas is War because he likes to fight; and Caspian is Famine because he'll eat whatever.

In fact, I've seen this mapping in stories before. Thus, lets switch it around a bit.

Methos is War, because he planned all the raids. Silas is Famine because he likes animals more than people and would rather the people starve than hurt the animals. And that leaves Caspian as the Champion. Caspian who's crazy and quite possibly hears voices. Caspian who might have convinced his brothers that he was hearing the voice of God.

Kronos led, and Methos planned, but Caspian inspired and motivated the thousand year rampage.


And while it might be best to leave it at that, it might also be interesting to say Caspian was that millennium's champion against Ahriman. And maybe that is why Methos turned away from Duncan in his fight against Ahriman, because so many years ago, he gave his full support to the champion and look where that got him.
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[identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com 2009-03-16 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
"Hey, Adam," Joe stressed the name, a teasing glint in his eye. "Have you seen the latest report from Rome? Apparently THE Immortal showed up again."

Methos laughed. "What's he up to?"

"I'm not sure I should tell you. Did you know that there's one theory that says he's Methos? And he did show up while you had disappeared again..." Joe laughed. The thought of Methos, his Methos, living the high-life in Rome was just too funny. On a more serious note, "Everyone pretty much agrees he's got to be fairly young for one of you guys to be courting that much infamy."

He was blatantly fishing for information.

Methos responded blandly. "He's doing a pretty good job of keeping his name out of things."

Joe glared suspiciously at Methos. Methos blinked back innocently. "You do know who he is, don't you?!"

Methos laughed. "Come on, tell me what the report says, and maybe I'll tell you something."

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[identity profile] lita-of-jupiter.livejournal.com 2009-03-16 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Fun! And Methos fishing for info about how the others see the guy is great... and I loved how Joe assumes that Methos has been reading the watcher's reports. It was a lot of fun seeing them try to play each other

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[identity profile] lita-of-jupiter.livejournal.com 2009-03-21 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
Well I recently watched the episode for myself and was able to get these quotes from it. So it might give you more ideas!

Also the IRS thing? It might have happened in Italy there is
a short flashback that shows Spike and Drusilla there in the 50s saying Ciao

and well, I trying to make a clip of the scenes talking about him on youtube so you can see for yourself.


(Well dressed lackey slaps a chained Angelus with his gloves)
A: A bit of the top there, ain't you?


L: He is benevolent The immortal wishes to convey his regrets at having detained you
but your recent actions against his concerns merited stiff reprimand.

(unchains Spike and Angelus)

S: His concerns?
A :this is our city. We were here first.

L: No, actually he was. 300 years ago and now he is back. You will leave
this city tonight and never return under a penalty of a death so swift...
(Angelus snaps his neck)
(Other lackeys point crossbows at the vampires)
A: Go ahead, I'll snatch those wee sticks out of the air and spend the
next fortnight shoving them up you arse.

And off they go see Darla, Angelus calls her "sweet death" and is really romantic!

And Darla is in love with the Immortal apparently because when they look so startled
by the fact she slept with The Immortal she says:
"Oh come on, have you seen him? With the eyes, and the chest and immortality

S: We are immortal. (looking forlorn)
D: Not like him. He's not some common vampire. he is... I don't know what he is!
A giant, a titan, straddling good and evil and serving no master but his own considerable
desires ( Angels tries to interrupt her but she is continue) And Spiritual! You know
he spent 150 years at a Tibetan monastery. Which I guess explains all the desire.

A: He is my arch nemesis
D: Darling, it was just fornication. Really great fornication.
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And if you see the clip you know he has the perfect excuse for not using magic, he considers it 'filth' so it is not that he *can't* it is just beneath him.

And the dancing... hilarious



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[identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com 2009-03-21 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I do need to get around to seeing this episode. Let me know if you post the collection of snippets.

From the quotes though, my only inspiration is something that's "just fornication. really great fornication." and alas, I can't write decent porn to save my life.

Although it would be really cool to make "the immortality" a real aspect of the seduction. Maybe small cuts or bruises on him so that she's this close to being burned by the quickening but not quite?

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[identity profile] lita-of-jupiter.livejournal.com 2009-03-22 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
Will do! as soon as I can get movie maker to stop shutting down the computer all the time!

Oh yes it would be very fun.... and you don't know until you try! Isn't that what you told me?
It would be turn on for someone so empty of life to feel it against her while being seduced

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[identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com 2009-03-22 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
hoist by my own petard. I'll see what I can do. Hmph.

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[identity profile] lita-of-jupiter.livejournal.com 2009-03-22 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
*grins* I'll be here!