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When I wrote A Square Peg in a Round Hole, I had a whole set of ideas for how to get Methos in contact with the SGC crew. At request, I’m posting what ideas I had at the time that I didn’t go forward with. Of them all, this was the closest second. I almost went with it a number of times and it wound up being more random chance than any particular reason that I went with Square Peg instead. .

The second of three Methos/Stargate plot-bunnies:



The bar was closed to the public but full of Watchers. They were all trading stories and just generally debreifing each other as they did every couple of weeks. When you had a secret life it was important to find some time to speak freely.

When teh phone rang, Joe Dawson, bar owner and area supervisor, delegated the task of answering it to one of his subordinates both in watcher training and in bar tending. He didn’t even think much of it until the young watcher put his hand over the mouthpiece and called out, “Guys? It’s someone calling for Methos.”

Dead silence.

Joe gave an agonized look at Adam Pierson whom he alone, of all the watchers, knew to be both immortal and that most elusive of the immortals, Methos. But everyone was looking around, confused and worried. Was Methos here? Did someone know they were watchers? Were they in danger? What should they do?

Finally Adam stood up. “Unless someone here is going to admit to being immortal, being my immortal...?” He paused and looked at each person in turn, studying them for some sign. “I’m going to answer and see what I can learn.”

There were nods of comprehension and approval and a few mouthed “good idea”s but everyone sat silent as he took the phone. “Yes?”

The Watchers watched and listened, straining to hear every word.

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The Watchers milled around the bar quietly unhappy. The fact that Adam Pierson was fluent in multiple otherwise-dead languages had never before been so frustrating. Only two watchers, who had had previous assignments in Egypt, stayed still and focused near the bar, trying to understand a language that was like and yet unlike that which they knew.

But everyone perked up again when ADam spoek loudly in English. “If you harm him in any way before I get there I will personally skin you alive with a red hot spoon!”

The Watchers were pretty evenly split between looking appalled at the normally mild and gentle researcher’s threat and looking greatly impressed by it.

The phone back in its cradle, Adam slumped on a stool with his head in his hands. One of the more impatient of the Watchers finally said, “Well?”

Adam’s eyes were tired and his smile weak. “False alarm as far as Methos goes. A contact of mine wanted to get through to me without giving away my name. He doesn’t know who or what Methos is, just that its a word I keep track of, that I would respond to. He’s been arrested by the US military and is slated for execution.”

“I’m sorry, Adam.”

“Harsh.”

“But due process!”

“Who was your contact?”

“Why does a researcher have a contact?”

The responses came more or less at the same time, but the last one had a few of them puzzled. Active watchers might have “contacts” to get them past security checkpoints or into places they couldn’t get on their own but researchers stayed in libraries, right? Occasionally traveled to see the sights but not following dangerous individuals.

“Black market antique rings and tomb raiders. Smuggling weapons on the side. Occasional forgery.”

Adam rubbed his eyes again and they all remembered that it was late at night (or early in the morning, as the case may be) and they'd all been drinking. “The military was almost certainly monitoring that line so the security of this bar has been compromised. I’m sorry, Joe.”

“Don’t worry. It’s not the first time I’ve been investigated and I doubt it’ll be the last.”

“Be careful. That goes for all of you. Something screwy is going on. He had some of the best security I’ve seen but they caught him anyway. And they were just waiting to shoot.”

“Uh-huh,” Joe agreed warily. “And what about you?”

“The name Methos is used in a mysterious situation... I’ll investigate it, of course,” Adam spoke in mock surprise.

“You said it had nothing to do with Methos.”

“Yeah. But it does have to do with my friends and its still a mysterious situation.”

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The SGC agents looked up from Daniels translation of what their most recent prisoner had said on the phone before they had managed to subdue him.

“Seriously?”

“That’s the translation.” Daniel shrugged with some bemusement of his own. “That’s what was said.”

“He is a goa’uld, isn’t he?” Jack asked.

It was a serious question. Sure, their prisoner had the goa’uld voice and the flashing eyes, but still… “the host called his dad?”

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The plot is that Methos had a son some two or three thousand years ago. He did not want him to die. And he was friends with a goa’uld. So for the last couple of thousand of years Methos has had a friend and a son who are immortal but not part of The Game. He loves having an immortal family and now someone is threatening that.
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Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-11 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mountainelement.livejournal.com
And being injured doesn't help him because it's a common theory among the public and many Immortals that Methos can suppress his Quickening enough so that he doesn't heal quickly and doesn't give off a buzz if he needs to. How else would he be able to hide so well?

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-11 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mountainelement.livejournal.com
I just read it. I've never really thought about SG like that before, but it makes sense. I have to wonder how SG should have gone to keep within the law. At what point did it become a war? As I understand it, they couldn't really take the time to stop during the movie before killing Ra, but should the government have announced the StarGate and the murder of an planetary ruler when they returned? Maybe after another system lord (Apophis?) came through the gate and kidnapped some of their soldiers, they should have filled in the public? I'm not sure how quickly things happened at the beginning of the series. If they didn't go through the StarGate and took the time to conform to the law first, would they have had time to sort out everything with the public and other countries?

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-11 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mountainelement.livejournal.com
I'd read it if you wrote it, but I don't really know how it would go. I don't have a good enough idea of how the NID works and how the SGC would be restricted. Are the Scoobies trying to get the existence of aliens revealed? They aren't trying to do the same with vampires and demons, but maybe it's just because people only see what they want to?

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-12 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com
They're not trying to publicize vampires and demons but they're not trying to hide them either. Their lies seem more focused on not being arrested or declared insane, rather than fool anyone. The supernatural has enough people who pay attention to it, that there are inherent checks and balances. Slayers being one of the major checks on various supernaturals.

They may just want to ensure that the SGC realizes that they are accountable to someone. They don't have complete free reign to do what they want.

It would be a good story but I have too many stories in the works already. I'll give this one a pass.

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-12 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com
The government doesn't have to stop its work in order to tell the public. In fact, given the lack of goa'uld spies on Earth, there's no reason for the information to be top secret. Telling the public doesn't force the politicians or the military strategists to do what the public says, it just forces them to get that outside opinion. Feedback in that sense is actually a good thing.

In fact, keeping up the actions might make negotiations with other countries easier, since there's a time element involved.

As for the killing of Ra, I'm not sure what the military rules are regarding the self-defense killing of a country ruler. I'm guessing that there are occasions when the life of a soldier is considered less important than the life of a foreign ruler. Maybe they had to do it but they could potentially be in deep trouble afterwards.

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-12 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com
Oh yes. There's all this evidence that it's not him (pictures of his parents, pictures of him as a young kid, his injuries, etc) but they're all discounted as Methos being a really tricky dude. Hah!

It's like Freud: if you fantasize about your parents, then you have Oedipus complex; if you don't fantasize about your parents, then you're suppressing it, and you have an Oedipus complex. There's just no way out.

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-12 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com
Yeah. They're sort of a convenient bad guy. Sort of like how summer blockbuster movies go through phases of bad guys: terrorists are the recent one, they don't need motivations, they're just evil. You don't even need to explain why they're terrorists, just stick the tag on, and we're good to go for 2 hours of exciting explosions. Sigh.

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-12 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com
Yeah, but where in the world do you find an impartial judge? Or at least, one that anyone is willing to accept as impartial.

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-12 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lita-of-jupiter.livejournal.com
well no judge is completely impartial but i guess finding some upstanding and well known guy who is famous for sticking to the laws

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-12 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mountainelement.livejournal.com
Is Daniel going to have to carry around a gun off-base? (Maybe he already does?) I assume that Immortals are going to find about Daniel potentially being Methos. I'm not sure if they're going to attack him madly (young, overconfident Immortals) or just watch and wait for an opportunity for him to "disappear".

I've read stories about Daniel and Jack being Immortals, but has anyone read a story where Sam is Immortal?

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-12 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mountainelement.livejournal.com
This really changes my view of the SGC. Now I can't stop thinking about how in all the crossovers, my favorite characters are committing treason.

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-12 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com
Huh. That's a couple of good points. No, I haven't read any stories where Sam is immortal. That's sort of odd actually. You'd think there would be at least one.

And I bet Daniel would have to be extremely careful.

There's a hilarious crossover story in which the SGC goes public and it's decided that Daniel needs to have a bodyguard. (The last time he went out in public, a mob of fans tore all his clothes off.) So the President hires Buffy. Hee.

Bodyguard Buffy by PaBurke
http://www.tthfanfic.org/Story-5009/PaBurke+Bodyguard+Buffy.htm

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-12 10:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com
Yup. Most fandoms are focused around neutral or chaotic good characters. Check out the following explanation of D&D alignments:

http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/06/09/from-the-slushpile/

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-13 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mountainelement.livejournal.com
I suspect that Methos has changed identities by now, but it would be hilarious if the Watchers insist on sending Adam Pierson, their Methos expert, to interview Daniel/Methos. Daniel also might occasionally forget that he's being interviewed as Methos and answer historical questions based on his studies of history, cementing the impression that he was there.

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-13 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com
That would be hilarious. And if Methos is going out of his way to frame Daniel for it, Adam Pierson may slant the questions he's asking to get the right results.

Now, I'm imagining someone sponsoring "The Methos Conversations" where they get as many potential Methoses in one room and get them talking. After all, if any of them are trying to prove that they're not Methos, the best way to do that is to identify the real one; and if any of them are trying to prove that they are Methos, they'll need to disprove all the others who say they're Methos. Let the sniping begin...

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-14 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mountainelement.livejournal.com
It could be the latest reality show. Daniel wouldn't normally participate, but he's desperate to convince everyone that he's not Methos. In one episode, everyone is quizzed on history, and the people who are trying to prove that they aren't Methos must cite their sources. Which is a bit difficult for Daniel, for I'm guessing that he's learned some history from traveling through the StarGate that's not recorded anywhere. If the SGC is still classified, then he can't really explain how he knows the history, but he doesn't want to lie either. After a few episodes to establish the evidence for everyone, callers vote off a potential Methos every week. I can't figure out who else would be on the show though.

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-14 05:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mountainelement.livejournal.com
I've actually read a mention of this before in "Blackmail Is Such A Dirty Word" by Lady FoxFire, but not in as much detail. The author was obviously a big fan of Xander and not a fan of Buffy and Willow so I wouldn't recommend it, but Jack O'Neil was described as either Chaotic Good or a Chaotic Evil:
""How many governments has Jack helped overthrow? How many Gou'alds has he destroyed thereby destroying someone's religious beliefs?" Xander explained. "How many time have his actions led to the death of someone or the start of some war?"

"Hey! We help free people from the Gou'alds!" Jack exclaimed.

"Did they ask for it?" Xander replied. "If you gave someone CPR and they survive but end up being permanently mentally disabled, did you do a good thing by saving them or a bad thing by forcing them to live as less than they were?""

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-14 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mountainelement.livejournal.com
Not that Xander is a bad character, but I think you prefer stories that are more balanced in how they treat characters.

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-15 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com
Hmm. Other possible Methoses"

Rupert Giles (he could cite his sources but they'd be these ancient books that no one else has a copy of... very suspicious.)

some evangelical preacher (who wants the fame and attention. Maybe has a research team behind him?)

Zero Cool (from Hackers. Very up on technology, doesn't know anything much about history... or so he claims. Is clearly a kid... isn't Methos tricky.)

It would be completely crack fic, but hilarious.

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-15 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com
Ooh, that does sound like a very interesting take on Jack O'Neill. He's destroying a lot of cultures just because they don't agree with his sense of morality. I like it.

But you're right: I like a balanced portrayal of characters. It's okay to show a character I like as being the bad guy or make one character super strong, but at least do it without gratuitous bashing.

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-16 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mountainelement.livejournal.com
Thanks for the recommendation. Buffy would be a good bodyguard against Immortals. She has superpowers and a lot of experience with fighting and beheading. Even if the Immortal managed to hire enough firepower and manpower to take her down, she's connected to a lot of people who'd be quite willing and able to hunt down and kill the Immortal involved. I suppose that other good candidates would be someone from the Justice League or an X-man. Wolverine would be ideal. However, I suspect that the other X-Men and the members of the Justice League would simply try to send the Immortal to jail. (I haven't actually read any comics for these series so I could be wrong.) That wouldn't be as much of a discouragement, as it seems that supervillains are always escaping from prison.

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-16 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mountainelement.livejournal.com
Another possible Methos could be a woman, under the theory that whenever they lost Methos, it was simply because "she" had stopped cross-dressing. This would probably be ignoring a lot of evidence, but the same is true for most of the other candidates. I don't have a specific character in mind though.

I suspect that at one point, Daniel or Giles would try to calm everyone down and then suggest trying to get into Methos's head to predict where he is instead of assuming that he's on the show. I'm not sure whether they'd succeed or not, considering all the conflicting information flying around about Methos.

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-16 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com
There should definitely be at least one woman. And probably someone of every race and every age as well, since there's some document somewhere that describes Methos as looking pale/dark/young/old/etc.

Re: Oh I do wish you would write this one

Date: 2010-03-16 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marbleglove.livejournal.com
Wolverine is too much of a loose canon to be a good bodyguard. I think he's occasionally done that work, but it mostly ends in tragedy. He doesn't get a lot of happy endings because us authors are cruel, cruel beings, so his record for keeping people alive doesn't look good. Most of the other "good guys" don't kill their opponents.

Since immortals are so thoroughly in the gray zone between good and evil--they're all serial killers but it's always and serially self-defense?--it's probably hard to get loyal bodyguards. Easier to just protect yourself than to trust an armed person at your back.
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