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marblegloveAnd because I am trying to shed excess plot bunnies so that I can focus on just one or two, here's another one put to pasture:
Crossover between Highlander (ie. Methos, because he's my character of choice) and practically any vampire series (although I think I'll pick the Anita Blake series in this instance because something needs to be done to fix that series.)
Highlander style immortals don't fight on Holy Ground. it's taboo, anathema, generally considered a bad idea with no explanation given. (Although there are a couple of good stories that have good theories, none of them are canon.) However, there's nothing against killing someone wearing a cross or carrying a bible or even a relic, so the taboo only goes so far. The one thing that canon does do, however, is accept that there is such a thing as holy ground, created by any religion that has sacred grounds.
Likewise, vampires cannot stand on holy ground and are repelled by holy items. Now, in the Anita Blake universe, holy symbols can only be used by true believers to repel vampires or demons, but holy ground is holy ground regardless of whether any worshipers are present or not. Thus while representations aren't holy in and of themselves, it is possible for there to be ground and other items are infused with holiness and stand on their own, as it were.
Back with Highlander canon is the fact that Methos is Death of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse as seen in the Bible, Book of Revelations. In that vision of the future, there are seven seals, each of which is opened by the Lamb. The Lamb is also a metaphor for Jesus. It's the end of the world and it's full of fire and blood and death and destruction, but it is also by God's will. So, the question is, do the four horsemen count as holy items?
They clearly don't count as Holy Ground, because they can be killed by other immortals. But neither are they simply symbols because no one would particularly recognize them and anyway they aren't representing anything other than themselves.
I imagine a story in which the four horsemen are holy and thus vampires cannot touch them without being burned.
Of course, that's just a premise rather than plot arc in and of itself.
Any plot arc I have would simply have to include Edward, called Death by the vampires of the Anita Blake universe and Ted by the civilians. Dear, dear Edward. He's an assassin.
I can imagine Caspian one of the other horsemen working with Edward on a joint project and then realizing that this man has sort of taken on his brother's name. Kronos, leader of the horsemen, would of course want to kill Edward for such presumption even if Edward would have no reason to know it was presumptive. Caspian wants to keep his colleague alive so that they can continue to go out and kill things together. In order to placate Kronos, though, Methos should come and give Edward permission to use the name.
There is possibly a scene in which some of the older vampires are mocking a captured Edward and some of the younger vampires too for the nickname. In some grand melodramatic fashion Caspian comes to the rescue bringing Methos along with. The laughter of the vampires is abruptly cut off.
"Did you really say, my dear Belle Morte," Methos nearly purred, "that you were going to kill Death?"
She hissed, uncertain what to do. She had known this man back when she had been a mere fledgling but then Christianity has risen and he had vanished. She had been sure he was dead. "Wouldn't you prefer he die, this pretender to your name?"
"If I wanted him dead, he would be dead and by my hands or by the hands of my brother. It is not your place to act in my name."
It had been a shot in the dark and it had missed.
"But come, come, why don't we kiss and make up?" His voice mocked her. She couldn't even look at him, the holy faith turning her eyes away. Any kiss would burn and disfigure.
Methos and his brother walked unchallenged through the vampires to Edward, releasing him from the chains that bound him. He, at least, she could look at, and she could almost sympathize with the look in his eye. His face was blank but it was a cover for the uncertainty that kept him balanced between gratitude and rage, that uncertainty that wondered who these men were who could walk so fearlessly among the monsters. And from whom the monsters recoiled.
Alternately, say Methos and some vampire want to have a relationship. Which is hard enough to do when one of you is edible to the other, even harder when one is deathly allergic to the other. So Methos is trying to become un-holy, but so far nothing is working. Then he discovers that there is another man called Death. So maybe he can transfer the holiness to Edward and get on with his romance. All he has to do is formally declare Edward his heir and then ... well, then discover that nothing is that simple. Heh. He may or may not be able to give Edward holiness but he can't get rid of his own. And can you imagine what being holy would do to a vampire hunter? It's all very good in a hand-to-hand fight, but it also repels the vampires so it's incredibly hard to get that close. Edward is not amused. Anita Blake is caught between finding it hilarious and horrendous. (She has all sorts of religious issues.)
Anyway, if someone writes this, I would appreciate it. Let me know.
Crossover between Highlander (ie. Methos, because he's my character of choice) and practically any vampire series (although I think I'll pick the Anita Blake series in this instance because something needs to be done to fix that series.)
Highlander style immortals don't fight on Holy Ground. it's taboo, anathema, generally considered a bad idea with no explanation given. (Although there are a couple of good stories that have good theories, none of them are canon.) However, there's nothing against killing someone wearing a cross or carrying a bible or even a relic, so the taboo only goes so far. The one thing that canon does do, however, is accept that there is such a thing as holy ground, created by any religion that has sacred grounds.
Likewise, vampires cannot stand on holy ground and are repelled by holy items. Now, in the Anita Blake universe, holy symbols can only be used by true believers to repel vampires or demons, but holy ground is holy ground regardless of whether any worshipers are present or not. Thus while representations aren't holy in and of themselves, it is possible for there to be ground and other items are infused with holiness and stand on their own, as it were.
Back with Highlander canon is the fact that Methos is Death of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse as seen in the Bible, Book of Revelations. In that vision of the future, there are seven seals, each of which is opened by the Lamb. The Lamb is also a metaphor for Jesus. It's the end of the world and it's full of fire and blood and death and destruction, but it is also by God's will. So, the question is, do the four horsemen count as holy items?
They clearly don't count as Holy Ground, because they can be killed by other immortals. But neither are they simply symbols because no one would particularly recognize them and anyway they aren't representing anything other than themselves.
I imagine a story in which the four horsemen are holy and thus vampires cannot touch them without being burned.
Of course, that's just a premise rather than plot arc in and of itself.
Any plot arc I have would simply have to include Edward, called Death by the vampires of the Anita Blake universe and Ted by the civilians. Dear, dear Edward. He's an assassin.
I can imagine Caspian one of the other horsemen working with Edward on a joint project and then realizing that this man has sort of taken on his brother's name. Kronos, leader of the horsemen, would of course want to kill Edward for such presumption even if Edward would have no reason to know it was presumptive. Caspian wants to keep his colleague alive so that they can continue to go out and kill things together. In order to placate Kronos, though, Methos should come and give Edward permission to use the name.
There is possibly a scene in which some of the older vampires are mocking a captured Edward and some of the younger vampires too for the nickname. In some grand melodramatic fashion Caspian comes to the rescue bringing Methos along with. The laughter of the vampires is abruptly cut off.
"Did you really say, my dear Belle Morte," Methos nearly purred, "that you were going to kill Death?"
She hissed, uncertain what to do. She had known this man back when she had been a mere fledgling but then Christianity has risen and he had vanished. She had been sure he was dead. "Wouldn't you prefer he die, this pretender to your name?"
"If I wanted him dead, he would be dead and by my hands or by the hands of my brother. It is not your place to act in my name."
It had been a shot in the dark and it had missed.
"But come, come, why don't we kiss and make up?" His voice mocked her. She couldn't even look at him, the holy faith turning her eyes away. Any kiss would burn and disfigure.
Methos and his brother walked unchallenged through the vampires to Edward, releasing him from the chains that bound him. He, at least, she could look at, and she could almost sympathize with the look in his eye. His face was blank but it was a cover for the uncertainty that kept him balanced between gratitude and rage, that uncertainty that wondered who these men were who could walk so fearlessly among the monsters. And from whom the monsters recoiled.
Alternately, say Methos and some vampire want to have a relationship. Which is hard enough to do when one of you is edible to the other, even harder when one is deathly allergic to the other. So Methos is trying to become un-holy, but so far nothing is working. Then he discovers that there is another man called Death. So maybe he can transfer the holiness to Edward and get on with his romance. All he has to do is formally declare Edward his heir and then ... well, then discover that nothing is that simple. Heh. He may or may not be able to give Edward holiness but he can't get rid of his own. And can you imagine what being holy would do to a vampire hunter? It's all very good in a hand-to-hand fight, but it also repels the vampires so it's incredibly hard to get that close. Edward is not amused. Anita Blake is caught between finding it hilarious and horrendous. (She has all sorts of religious issues.)
Anyway, if someone writes this, I would appreciate it. Let me know.
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Date: 2009-03-06 08:31 pm (UTC)and the holyness of the horsemen is something I wonder about too, because since they are in the bible a lot of people believe in their power... does that count or not?
there is a lot of ground to play... and I adore the idea that Belle Morte is afraid of him or had previous dealing with his darker persnona
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Date: 2009-03-06 11:53 pm (UTC)As you can probably tell, that series pisses me off. But I do like the fandom.
Anyway, can you imagine if Duncan were confronted by the fact that his friend is holy because of his past? I think it might break his mind just a little bit.
And I have a vague idea that Methos and Belle Morte were lovers before Christianity. Maybe Belle Morte was Cassandra's predecessor before Methos was forced to either cast her off or burn her with his ill-gotten holiness.
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Date: 2009-03-07 07:30 pm (UTC)things are just too different now from the start for it to be sort of books I used to love. but it can supply a fun playground!
Might break his mind? it would for sure... and he would get to be reminded that even in the Bible, most things aren't nice.... and I wonder what that would mean for him?
Belle Morte, a scorned lover who got her names from the petname her former master gave her...
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Date: 2009-03-08 01:36 am (UTC)There are actually quite a few people in the real world that I'd like to make sit down and actually read what the bible says.
Anyway, I love the idea that Methos would call his vampire lover Beautiful Death. And that she would never quite manage to be known by any other name after that. Awesome. And wow, what a way to keep the anger current.
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Date: 2009-03-08 04:01 pm (UTC)You know he had a way of either making them love him, leave him or hate him, or all three even 3,000 years ago...
if Cassandra suffered in the camp and loved him imagine what a vampire would feel from it....
I really want to see them meeting again... especially if he is all "I am just grad student" when he does see her.
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Date: 2009-03-08 04:50 pm (UTC)Did you follow the series long enough to realize that Edward married a woman with two young kids?
I sort of want Adam Pierson to be making some money in grad school as a babysitter or a tutor or something, helping take care of those kids. And maybe Methos knows who Edward is but Edward doesn't know anything about Methos. So maybe Edward pisses off Belle Morte or is helping Anita Blake to piss off Belle Morte and she goes after his family. So the good guys rush to the rescue all scared that they'll get there too late and it was too late except there's the babysitter/tutor calmly telling Belle Morte what she is and is not allowed to do in this particular grudge match and interfering with Methos or the kids he's helping is on the "not to do" list.
All the good guys aren't sure whether to be incredibly grateful or to shoot Methos because clearly he's dangerous supernatural too.
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Date: 2009-03-08 05:25 pm (UTC)I know about the wife and kids from a summary and not the books themselves.
it would be too funny if that happened, JC is trying to get the children free from the vampire through political ways, everyone else thinking heavy duty power fill be needed and Anita is even more psyched out because it was he fault this had happened since Edward had been helping her.
cue to the rescue.
and there is the babysitter calmly sprawling on a chair while Belle is in standing in front of him like a scolded child while he goes "Belle Morte my dear (or whatever name he used to use for in Sumerian or something) you do know that this violates the terms of our deal... there will have to be consequences ..."
and everyone is standing around going "What?"
common reaction to meeting him
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Date: 2009-03-08 11:34 pm (UTC)He was beginning to revise his theory on the stupid student though.
Peter had recognized what Ted was almost as soon as he'd met him, but he hadn't thought anything of Adam. Adam who had a sword. And was talking to the vampire in a voice that wasn't cold at all but was even more dangerous because of that.
"Bella, you were my slave and my lover for three centuries. Three millenia have past since then and yes, you have gotten a great deal more powerful. But you have never before come up against me. So you have three options at this point:
"You can declare me your master. You and your whole line will do as I say when I say it.
"You can declare me your inferior, at which point I will prove you wrong.
"Or you can declare me your equal, and I will accept a truce as long as you do not trespass on anyone or anything under my protection.
"These are your choices. What do you pick?"
Peter looked at the vampire who had dared to attack Edward's family and yet now looked terrified by Adam. Maybe it was okay having a babysitter after all.
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Date: 2009-03-09 01:52 am (UTC)nice scene! needs the gawking audience the the background though so we have some reactions.... Peter is such a lucky guy for having this babysitter... and Methos knows what is the only possible option for BM to take and what will happen afterwards... this just leaves me wanting so much more!!!!
so awesome!
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Date: 2009-03-09 03:09 am (UTC)Maybe there's a webcam in the house and a silent alarm of some sort. Edward knows his family is in danger from his enemies so he sets up surveillance that he can check. This makes him a lot more high tech than I can remember him ever being in the books, but what the hey. This way they can be driving pellmell to the house and watching events as they unfold.
Or better yet, Edward is on a mission with Anita Blake et al, but he's still trying to be a good Daddy to Becca at least (the young girl who doesn't realize her stepfather is a psycho). So he's on the phone with her wishing her a good night when the door crashes in and Belle Morte arrives. The phone never gets hung up so they can all hear what's going on as they drive crazy to get there in time.
Except the crazy driving is probably attracting the attention of the bad guys they were after so those vamps follow them to the house and suddenly it's Adam, the kids, Belle Morte, the good guys, the bad guys, and possibly the neighbors, all watching what's going down.
The neighbors aren't sure whether this makes Adam a good babysitter or a bad one.
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Date: 2009-03-09 03:22 am (UTC)Well if he had any sort of cameras installed I am not sure that Adam would have babysat but the phone thing really works unless BM had a minion snatch them and take them to the circus which Ed found out about through a message from the sitter.
So they are all in the vampire stronghold when Belle finds out just who her guests are!
nobody but him and BM would know the story and since they wouldn't explain to anyone everybody would be *very* confused so neighbors and friendly supernatural creatures would all be left scratching their heads and wondering if it was wise to question the 20 something grad student about what took place...
the only ones who would have the guts to ask are the kids and they would get a sugared answer like " Well Becca, me and this nice lady used to be very good friends so she is sorry she interypted our playtime"
B: " well she has to say so then"
A: " she will" and smirks at her with a hard look in his eyes while Belle Morte bits out an unconvincing "Sorry" while mentally taking him apart bit by bit.
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Date: 2009-03-09 05:33 am (UTC)I also like the idea of them having the whole scene in the stronghold, but I'm not sure how they would get there. Methos would have to acquiesce to going and I can't see him agreeing to take the kids. Hmm. Maybe the minions came, Methos said "no", minions say if not then Edward will be killed, Methos rolls his eyes and says Edwards fate is hardly going to be made better by the presence of his kids so it's still a "no", but then Peter refuses to stay, so they all go?
Then in the stronghold, Edward is told his kids are being brought but there's nothing he can do about it. Until the babysitter comes and points out to dear Belle Morte that she would have been better served to leave well enough alone. She might have a grudge against anyone called "Death" but in this case she's just annoyed Death Senior.
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Date: 2009-03-09 04:39 pm (UTC)So it has to be a situation where he thinks taking the kids along will be safer for them and for him... maybe Belle gave the order they were to be taken unharmed to her?
A scene in the stronghold would be pure win! especially if at the start before the "hostages" get there Belle Morte is doing the evil speech thing and humiliating everybody else.
He would say to her that if she really wanted to fight Death all she had to do was find him
and she would be completely exaspered and say something like "What do you think i have been trying to do for the last few thousand years??"
and there will be many issues to be solved especially with regards to what happened to his brothers and just "why did he cast her aside?"
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Date: 2009-03-10 01:43 am (UTC)And he's almost as horrified as he is relieved when he sees Peter being brought in, horrified because he's relieved. Because it was before the end of practice so Becca must be safe in the house. And one of the other soccer parents will have called to warn Adam the babysitter.
So maybe Edward and Peter will be killed but at least Donna and Becca, the two weaker members of their little household, will be safe.
And then Adam arrives, with Becca in his arms, believing Adam when he tells her that there's nothing to fear. And if any of the nasty vampires scare her, all she needs to do is shoot them with her little water gun. Which he has filled with holy water for the occasion.
(Or, have you seen those water guns that are shaped like animals, so the animal is spitting the water? They don't shoot very far, but I can just see the cute little blond girl scaring off the vampires with her plastic water-spitting parrot.)
And Adam is still being a casual laid-back college student. Edward wonders how he never noticed the utter certainty, the confidence and the edge of danger, that the casual response implied. Because before he'd thought that Adam had been completely fooled by his Ted persona as most people were, but now he thinks that Adam had seen him as he was all along and simply hadn't cared.
There's a big show down and over the course of it, Belle Morte doesn't so much change as our perspective of her changes, because she's not just evil, she's also hurting, and she wants her lover back.
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Date: 2009-03-10 02:07 am (UTC)Oh I loved the water gun and it is a lovely way for Becca to be protected also great way to be inside Edward's head while not being completely inside it.
I love how his priorities are Becca and his wife and how he thinks that Peter would make a great assassin while being relieved and horrified by it at the same time.
She has been hurting a long time, like Cassandra has but also in a different way since she isn't so much traumatized as missing home and as you said her lover who might have had her before she became a vampire (what if she did it because she wasn't immortal and he was) and then after a few centuries he gets bored and dumps her in Babylon or something where she decides to take out her anger crushing the city... learned from the best after all. (or some other ancient stronghold)
BTW very amusing Darius III was defeated by the forces of Alexander the great there
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Date: 2009-03-10 04:22 am (UTC)Unfortunately, I'm not really good at evil speeches. They all sound way too melodramatic, which they are of course, but it's hard to gauge the right level of melodrama to get it properly evil without going so overboard it's just stupid.
And maybe Belle Morte became a vampire to be immortal with Methos or maybe Methos had her turned into a vampire in order to keep her with him. Or maybe someone else tried to gain leverage against Death by turning his mistress but it didn't work out so well because Methos just slaughtered that entire vampire community and kept Belle with him until she had gotten beyond the fledgling stage.
What if Methos just likes change? That could explain a lot about his personality and the reason he's survived so long. He actively likes change so turning into someone new every decade or so is a bonus rather than a problem for him. And Kronos made the mistake of thinking the horsemen were forever and Methos knew that he would only stay for as long as they provided him new experiences. So he takes, among other things, interesting mistresses. Thus, he gets pissed off at Kronos when Kronos takes Methos' new toy Cassandra away from him. And he keeps Belle with him in order to protect her but it just raised her expectations even though he was never going to promise forever.
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Date: 2009-03-10 03:16 pm (UTC)You could do an outline of an evil speech, you know from someone's point of view. If it is Edward for an example he would be looking for a way out during the speech and taking in the situation with his mind filtering in the important bits, which can a phrase here and another there. like.
"Dismember you with a spoon..." two vampires near back door, Anita, Richard and Jean-Claude held apart by six vampires each while pretending to be polite.
"...watch while I slowly peel away your wife's flesh..."
Knows about my family. Becca at home and Peter at soccer practice.
"I will have them here very soon"
and maybe Jean-Claude is trying to fast talk everyone's way out with possibly sacrificing only Edward (who he doesn't mind dead anyway)
Ohhhh I like that last one! Pick that!! I would love the idea that Methos was getting tired of the horsemen's gig and along comes a vampire to change his mistress and voilá! A whole new and challenging species to slaughter and terrify! and he now has a long lived apprentice to teach the art that is torturing and killing, taking someone apart by use of his words and acts.
And so he avoids boredom for a few centuries and then unleashes her somewhere on some poor country or vampire country, and killing weres and other difficult to kill things. Tells her to see if she can get along on her own and then vanishes for a long time.
I think that might even be after Cassandra, he has gotten used to having a witch serving him. Kronos realizes he is growing bored and gifts him with a fair captive to play with and to be only his to keep which would be Belle, who according to wikipedia is around 2,000 years old.
And let's face he and Kronos lasted a long time as a team, so maybe he knew that Methos liked change, and thought 'hey he loved power too, the world is different and everything is different maybe he would like to ride again with the new challenges of the modern age to overcome. Let's gather everyone!!!!
Methos loves change and maybe he would cycle back to what he was or maybe not, so even if he didn't promise forever he might have promised her 'someday'. And now that she is very powerful on her own right she wants that and he says "not yet"
Also I wonder if/how she knew he was alive if she couldn't track him, and if the vampires remember the ways of the bloody horsemen who killed many many of the old ones. At the first book there is a vampire guy who is millions of years old, and then the next eldest seems to be a few very much younger... though we know there is someone called Morte D'Amour and also someone who has never been seen named The Traveler and who didn't interfere when Oliver wanted to kill JC because Council members don't fight council members...
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Date: 2009-03-10 05:32 pm (UTC)I wonder if this is the point where he finally admits he's addicted to love (as it were. Ha!) or whether even in his own head he still denies caring about Donna and kids and tries to ignore the fact that his stomach is in a knot and he has to concentrate to still the tremor in his hands.
I think Belle Morte probably assumed Methos was alive because she couldn't imagine anyone killing him. Then she discovered that *someone else* was going around with his name. So maybe he was dead after all because surely the man she had known wouldn't allow anyone else to use his name. And that's part of her hatred for Edward, not that he's killing vampires but that he's evidence for Methos being dead.
And then it turns out that Methos isn't dead but he's not the man she wants and he still won't accept her. Or possibly can't accept her, depending on what his holy status is. Then it could be this whole star-crossed lovers deal except with ruthless pragmatic psycho killers. Hee.
I can't remember who all the other Vampire counsel members are, but there was Oliver who was something like a million years old but I think that was significantly older than the rest. Because he's described as being physically different and all the others at least look like modern humans.
Then Traveler has the skill of being able to possess other vampires and walk around in their bodies. I'm not even sure if he has a body of his own or not. He has a human servant but the servant enjoys sleeping with whatever body is on offer at the moment, so I'm inclined to think he doesn't have a body of his own. (Now my theory is that since immortals take quickenings, they should also be able to take other free-floating life forces and if Traveler isn't terrified of Methos he should be.)
Is Morte D'Amour the one who has zombie tendencies and is terrifying in his/her ability to rot on command?
Then I've also heard some references to a Mother of Darkness who may be awakening. I don't know anything at all about her but from the sounds of it, she may have been stolen wholesale from Anne Rice.
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Date: 2009-03-10 06:16 pm (UTC)Well that would be a very plausible reason for her to be pissed at him. And Methos probably chose to work as his babysitter in order to see what the guy who was using his name was like (he did it with the fake Methos so why not here?). And how convenient for her that getting rid of the guy using that name fits perfectly into her plans for St. Luis and so provides an excuse for doing it.
Oh yes, the holyness would be a great complication, and he can console her with 2,000 years ago you were my slave, today my equal. what the next centuries will bring is not certain. So you know giving her hope once again, because he knows having her hate him or being mad at him would be unhealthy.
About Oliver, that was what I was getting into maybe a few thousand years ago the vampirc society was also significantly different and more numerous, you know before four men decided to make them their new play toys (Silas would get a kick of keeping weres, he loves animals after all).
The Traveller could be spying in BM and there and maybe he has run into Methos under some other name before and was almost assimilated but instead set a treaty with him in name of vampire/immortal relations.
Like you don't take me and I swear a magical oath not to allow vampires to feed on unwilling immortals?
I wouldn't be surprised if she had been stolen from A.Rice especially since it seems just another character to be interested in Anita and then be defeated
Yupe, Morte is the rotting guy which makes me wonder how the skills of a particular bloodline come about.
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Date: 2009-03-10 06:41 pm (UTC)I think Oliver was probably having a hard time of it these last few millenia because he got so very powerful that he wasn't able to really use his power for fear of doing too much damage and possibly causing an extinction event. He would survive it, but it would by the time it settled down and something sentient evolved again he'd be both very hungry and very bored and he doesn't think he could stand to deal with that.
And maybe Silas is the reason why werefoxes in China are different from any other were in that their fox shape is the primary one. And they are all extremely beautiful. He kept a group of werefoxes but forced them to maintain the fox shape and after a few hundred years they just stayed that way even when Silas moved on.
I like the idea of Methos and Belle Morte coming to an understanding that they can't be together but who knows what will happen in the future. After all, he's only holy for as long as Christianity is a major religion. With the potential to live for a million years, there is a chance for them eventually.
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Date: 2009-03-10 07:07 pm (UTC)And Oliver could have been growing bored, especially since he had become and ugly guy when surely he had been a very handsome Homo Erectus who though absurdly powerful couldn't use that because of boredom. And he must have gotten especially bored once libraries went into the church's control being located in Holy Ground. Poor guy.
he can't cut loose and party and has to do his plotting the old fashioned way, moving pawns around and with so few people to talk too... everyone who could understand him was either sleeping for a few centuries like the Mother or people who if ever met personally again would almost certainly kill each other.
Oh yes, I can see Silas doing that so clearly, they'd be treated well so long as they were animals if they shifted then they were fair game for Caspian's fun or for the whatever games they played with their slaves. The Foxes ended up being a carefully cultivated and controlled species for so long that they became it.
The bloodline being purified with every new slaves he took he thought might fit his vision for them.
There is the chance he would lose the holyness and she the homicidal tendencies... why burn a bridge when you can maintain it after all?
In any case can you picture them getting together and discussing or remembering the past over the conversation... you something like "well whenever I burned Babylon I always thought of you" or "I think I saw you during massacre at XXX" and the other (or someone else) is surprised and says "wait a minute that was you?"
You know that likely during the dark ages they were all living in comfort in the east or in the peninsula where there was comfort and beautiful things plenty.
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Date: 2009-03-10 09:08 pm (UTC)A couple of really fabulous short stories about Methos in the future being his cool, good-by-choice psycho-by-nature self, are:
"Days Forsaken" by jacquez h. valentine
http://www.dementia.org/~jacquez/writing/hlfic/days_forsaken.html
"Methos by Firelight" by jacquez h. valentine
http://www.dementia.org/~jacquez/writing/hlfic/methosbyfirelight.html
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Date: 2009-03-11 01:03 am (UTC)I love how Methos deals with his few absolutes and how he alternates one life to the other going from oposites.
it reminds of a challenge I saw at Highlander Fiction once that nobody answered: (http://hlfiction.net/challenges.php?chalid=5) where several of the identities would be confronted by meeting past friends of different times in the same place.
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Date: 2009-03-11 02:53 am (UTC)"The Black Magician" by Shadows Dancing over on fanfiction.net is unfortunately incomplete and hasn't been updated for more than two years, but in it Hammond first meets Methos' newest identity (Methos having killed of Adam Pierson just recently) and thinks he looks a lot like a young man he met back in Vietnam (the identity before Pierson), then Daniel meets him and thinks he looks a lot like his old colleague Adam. Chaos progresses from there.
I've also seen a couple of fun stories in which Duncan meets an alternate Methos personality and is shocked. "But that's not like you!" "No, it's not like Adam Pierson, which is really the point." After all, if you don't want to be tracked, you have to change.
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Date: 2009-03-11 05:26 am (UTC)I love those stories where Duncan meets a new persona though I wish we could see him meeting the friends his other persona has (you know Methos has to have a rich guy identity lying around for when he wants his luxuries) and discovers that there is a persona who drinks wine and goes to the Opera .
Trying to explain how much change is good won't work for Duncan... he has kept his name all of his lives so changing personalities is a little extreme for him but Joe might get it.
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Date: 2009-03-11 02:54 pm (UTC)"Champagne" by Lferion
http://hlfiction.net/viewstory.php?sid=1016
It's more of Richie being shocked by Methos' other persona, but it's a very cool story and I wish it weren't just a one-shot.
There's another story that I read a long time ago but failed to bookmark. In it, Duncan is saying something obnoxiously naive about people being innately good or bad. Methos asks Duncan if he ever met this one blacksmith back in the day? Duncan says, oh yeah, a great guy, more than a little crazy and rough as hell, but fun to hang out with. And Methos explains that he was killed in a challenge when his opponent's mortal girl friend snuck up behind him and hit him over the head. Duncan is furious and intent upon revenge for such a unfair death. Then Methos explains that the blacksmith was Kurgan and the winner was Conner MacLeod. Duncan is given a lot to think about.
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Date: 2009-03-12 01:11 am (UTC)Oh that story must have been awesome and so like Methos to twist the tale around so he can see both sides and show it to Mac so that the highlander can come up with his own conclusions!
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Date: 2010-01-15 06:52 pm (UTC)I cant believe that the horseman survived 3,ooo years being killers all the time
even Caspian would have gotten bored or decapitated before that.
there was a lovely fic where the horseman who are killed aren't really Methos's brothers but other old immortals he and the other 3 manipulate into being there for the showdown.
I loved it
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Date: 2010-01-15 07:20 pm (UTC)It was "Sweet Vengeance" by liliaeth
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/246523/1/Sweet_Vengeance
The other one, was actually one of mine, unless you found a similar story (in which case, let me know, so that I can read it):
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1588441/1/Death_of_the_Four_Horsemen_of_the_Apocalypse
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Date: 2010-01-15 07:39 pm (UTC)well now you know how much I loved it, praising it to the author unknowingly!
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Date: 2010-01-15 08:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-14 10:47 pm (UTC)Auberus updated her Anita Blake/ Highlander crossover!!
http://auberus.livejournal.com/tag/ab:vh/highlander
it seems like it might be heading to good fight where old Methos might show himself
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Date: 2009-05-15 02:10 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-15 03:12 pm (UTC)are you participating on her challenge?
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